Monthly Archives: August 2009

Deer Meeting In Silver City!

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Wow… Let me first say that I was prepared for the worst and I was pleasantly surprised.  I thought for sure the meeting was going to be full of anti-hunters looking to prove a point.  My concern is that they would not acknowledge that we have a deer population issue in Silver City and we would just end up going in circles.  To my surprise just about everybody in the meeting were truly concerned and admitted that there is a problem.  I would say that out of the 50 people that showed up there were probably 10 hunters.  The rest were concerned landowners.  Personally, I think this is key because this way it doesn’t look like this is being pushed by hunters.

SOOO… What happened?  Well, Game and Fish basically layed out the problem, too many deer.  At a high-level here are some points they made.

  • -They think there are 300-600 deer in the city limits
  • -Officers are picking up twice as many roadkill this year than last.  They have numbers that support this statement
  • -Fawn recruitment looks like it is going to be exceptionaly high again this year
  • -People are still feeding deer.  I guess the law/rule that the Game Dept made making it illegal to feed deer was deemed unconstitutional and unenforceable.
  • -They went over the disease and predator issues.
  • -They talk about the different techniques that could be used to control the deer.  They talk about everything from snipers to birth control darts.

After the Game and Fish gave their presentation they broke the room up into 4 groups and had officers answer questions.  I light of the recent health care demonstrations that was probably a good idea because it kept confrontations down.

If I have any concerns over the meeting it was that there were no officials from the formal Silver City government.  I have a very strong feeling that there is going to be a ton of push back.

Leon Redman

The way I see it there are few things that need to be addressed or things that I would like to point out.

  • – I think it should be a doe only hunt.  Lets face it, Indian Hills has some of the biggest bucks in NM.  We can’t let competition bring the worst out in hunters.  If we eliminate the “trophy” issue from the equation then we will not have to worry about having “gangs” of “hunters” chasing down trophy animals in the neighborhoods.
  • – This needs to be marketed as archery hunters being used to manage a deer population issue.  We need to stress that this is NOT hunting.  These deer have no fear, you can walk right up to them.  There is nothing sporting, challenging or traditional about it.
  • If hunters are allowed to manage the deer I don’t think it should count against there one buck deer a year allocation.  The way our current draw system works, most archery hunters will get a tag thru the system, either thru the draw or by purchasing a leftover tag.  Most archery hunters are not going to give up the opportunity to go on a buck hunt to help manage deer in the city limits.
  • – There needs to be some sort of qualifing criteria.  As sportsman know hunting is not an absolute sometimes animals are hit poorly and sometimes they are just hellbent on not dying.  These deer are not all get shot take two steps then lay down in the road for the archer to pick them up.  We need to do whatever we can to show to the community that we are taking this seriously and are just not blood thirsty people trying to kill everything that walks.
  • – Okay, now this one might get me in trouble or be controversial.  I am not totally convinced that this should have a youth or mobility impaired component.  We need to minimize all possibilities for drama.  Managing these deer is NOT a game.  These animals need to be dropped quickly, humanely and then removed as quickly as possible.  We can’t give anti-hunters any reason to try and stop these hunts.
  • – Oh yah…. and landowners should be given preference in managing the game.. that would be me… :)
  • – I am sure I forgot a few things or haven’t thought about a few things but as soon as I think about them I will let you know.

Darrel the Concerned Hunter

Anyway, this is a long way from being a done deal.  I will try and stay on top of the issue and report on it on my blog.  I am going to write another blog of people that you will need to contact to express your concerns over the issue.  If you have any comments please email me or make the comments on this entry.  I want to make sure that I have thought everything out before I really start to push the issue.

J

Category: Game and Fish

Penn State Baby!!!!

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Well… It is almost that time of year again… COLLEGE FOOTBALL…  GOOOO PENN STATE!!!!

Category: Uncategorized

Elk in 24???

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The other night I hit the hills to get a camera before my AZ coues deer hunt.  I wanted to get it out of the woods before the NM archery deer season started.  I pulled it for two reasons, I didn’t want to tip anybody off that I am watching an area and I didn’t want to get the thing stolen.  This particular camera is over a tank that a few people know about.  I dont’ know if there are any coues deer in this area and I didn’t pick any up on my camera so I might need to look elsewhere.  I am not totally ready to give up on the area but as of right now things don’t look so good.  Anyway, it is in Unit 24, there are a few elk in the unit but not many.  I am really not sure why but it is what it is.  I don’t even think there is a hunt in there this year.  It was nice to see these two bulls in the area.  As you can see they are hitting the tank pretty regularly.  They aren’t huge but they sure are healthy.

The Boys

How about a closeup?

Cool Raghorn

Category: Trail Cams

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Silver City Deer Meeting!!!

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As many of you know I live in a little neighborhood called Indian Hills, we border the national forest and in the last few years we have had a TON of Mule Deer move into the area.  These deer have no fear of humans and are becoming quite a problem.  Not only from car accidents but they are attracking predators to the neighborhood.  If you remember we recenlty had a man that was killed and eaten by a mountain lion around 5 miles from my house.  I used to think that is was going to take someone to get hurt for people to really start looking at the deer problem we have in the area.   Don’t get me wrong I love seeing deer but they need to be managed.  The Dept of Game and Fish is going to have a Deer Meeting August 26th at the Armoury in Santa Clara at 7:00pm to discuss the problems.   They are going to discuss all kinds of options; both lethal and non-leathal.

My take on the entire thing?  It is a tough call the deer are just in a safe environment with alot of food and water.  There is no reason for the deer to move.  Personally, I would like to see archers be used to control the population of deer.  I would like to make it very clear that by no means would I consider this a hunt, you can walk up to the deer.  We can be part of the solution not the problem.

The picture below was taken last night… This guy was cruising thru the yard..Cruising Buck

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How about some Trail Cam Pictures???

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Hey everybody….

Many of you are heading out this weekend for the start of your seasons… I still need to wait until January, I drew a late season Coues Deer Tag.  Last year I found that I my camera recon was a little off because I was tracking deer all year but once the rut started all bets were off.  While I am going to still hang cameras all year I am going to focus more and funnels and saddles instead of water or mineral sources.  I drew a tag in a unit that I usually don’t so I really need to hit the hills and let my cameras do some scouting for me… SOOOO How about some pictures???

Look at this little bear… WOW he seems shaggy and HOT!!!

How about a Mulie??? I think this is the same deer… FYI these two cameras are 1 mile apart.

THIS IS WHAT I AM LOOKING FOR…. He is definately a shooter…

Category: Trail Cams

ATV Accident… Please Be Careful

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Hey Guys…
Just a quick reminder to ask everybody to be careful and respectful on your ATV’s. We recently had a death in our community from an accident…

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ATV accident claims life of Silver City man
An all-terrain-vehicle crash south of Glenwood on Saturday claimed the life of a Silver City man.
Lloyd Montoya, 43, died at Gila Regional Medical Center after the accident on Forest Road 68, which leads from U.S. 180 to the San Francisco River (just north of the Aldo Leopold Vista rest stop).
According to state police, Montoya was northbound on the dirt road on Soldier Hill just before midnight, when he “drove into a large hole, which caused the vehicle to roll side to side, coming to rest on top of the driver.’
Family members took Montoya to the highway, where he was placed in an ambulance. Authorities said he was wearing a seat belt at the time of the crash, and that alcohol was not involved.

Category: General

Left Over Tags up for Grabs!!!

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Well Everybody…

It is that time of year again…  The left over tags are up for grabs….

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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE, AUG. 10, 2009:

LEFTOVER DEER PERMITS, ELK AND JAVELINA LICENSES AVAILABLE ONLINE AUG. 19

SANTA FE — More than 1,700 New Mexico public-land deer permits, 20 elk licenses for mobility impaired hunters, and 231 Javelina licenses leftover from the 2009-2010 drawing will be available beginning at 10 a.m.  Aug. 19 — only on the Department of Game and Fish Web site.

�As is often the case, the Department had a handful of hunts that went unsubscribed following this year’s�big game draw,� said Patrick Block, Assistant Director of the New Mexico Department of Game and Fish. �We�want do everything we can to give New Mexico’s hunters every opportunity to enjoy the sport they are so passionate about.�

The deer permits are for hunts in game management units where the number of permits or licenses exceeded the number of applicants. They will be available — first-come, first-served — for an application fee of $9 for residents, $12 for nonresidents. Applications will be accepted only on the Department’s Web site, www.wildlife.state.nm.us.

Deer hunt permits will be issued as soon as the applicant’s credit card is approved for the application fee. Deer hunters then must purchase an over-the-counter deer license. Elk and javelina licenses will be issued when the applicant’s credit card is approved for the license fee and the application fee. All hunters also must have a Habitat Management & Access Validation, and, if hunting on federal lands, a Habitat Stamp.

Twenty leftover deer permits are youth-only hunts with any legal weapon. All other leftover deer permits are for archery-only or muzzleloader archery hunts. All leftover elk licenses are muzzleloader hunts. A preliminary list of available permits and licenses will be listed on the Department Web site.

Applicants are encouraged to visit the website before the Aug. 19 sale and establish or verify a user account and Customer Identification Number. An account will be necessary to apply for the leftover permits and licenses. Establishing or verifying an account in advance will make the application process faster and more efficient, improving applicants’ chances. Applications for leftover permits and licenses will be accepted until 10 days before a hunt begins to allow time for hunters to receive their permits in the mail.

For more information, and to view and apply for the extra deer and elk hunting opportunities, please visit the Department of Game and Fish web site at www.wildlife.state.nm.us. Hunters can call (505) 476-8087 for information, but only online applications will be accepted.

Available licenses and permits

Here is a list of permits and licenses that will be available online-only at 10 a.m. Aug. 19.  Applicants should be aware that:

  • This is a preliminary list that could change before the actual sale date. Please consult the 2009-2010 Big-Game Rules and Information Booklet (available on Department Web site) for dates, bag limits and other information about available hunts.
  • When the sale begins, this list will not match the list applicants see in the online menu accessed through their online account. As licenses and permits are awarded, they are dropped from the account-accessed dropdown menu.
  • If an applicant is determined to be ineligible, any licenses or permits awarded to that applicant will be returned to the list. This can occur days after the sale begins.

Youth deer permits — any legal weapon

Hunt code

Permits available

Unit

Hunt dates

DER-1-270

32

30

Oct. 31-Nov. 4

DER-1-271

204

30

Nov. 14-18

Archery deer permits

Hunt code

Permits available

Unit

Hunt dates

DER-2-171

1

13

Sept. 1-24

DER-2-172

8

13

Jan. 1-15

DER-2-178

15

15

Jan. 1-15

DER-2-186

11

16

Jan. 1-15

DER-2-191

36

17

Sept. 1-24

DER-2-196

30

18

Sept. 1-24

DER-2-202

22

20

Sept. 1-24

DER-2-208

124

21

Sept. 1-24

DER-2-213

17

22

Sept. 1-24

DER-2-214

1

22

Jan. 1-15

DER-2-223

50

23

Sept. 1-24

DER-2-226

51

23

Jan. 1-15

DER-2-239

42

24

Sept. 1-24

DER-2-241

20

24

Jan. 1-15

DER-2-247

32

25

Jan. 1-15

DER-2-251

24

26

Sept. 1-24

DER-2-252

12

26

Jan. 1-15

DER-2-315

22

40

Sept. 1-24
and Jan. 1-15

DER-2-342

3

47

Sept. 1-22

DER-2-346

3

48

Sept. 1-22

DER-2-372

5

56

Sept. 1-22

DER-2-386

11

58

Sept. 1-22

DER-2-393

8

59

Sept. 1-22

Youth muzzleloader deer permits

Hunt code

Permits available

Unit

Hunt dates

DER-3-180

55

15

Sept. 26-Oct. 4

Muzzleloader deer permits

Hunt code

Permits available

Unit

Hunt dates

DER-3-198

33

18

Oct. 31-Nov. 4

DER-3-210

233

21

Oct. 31-Nov. 4

DER-3-215

45

22

Oct. 31-Nov. 4

DER-3-229

201 (mule deer)

23

Oct. 31-Nov. 4

DER-3-230

41 (white-tailed deer)

23

Oct. 31-Nov. 4

DER-3-242

46 (mule deer)

24

Oct. 31-Nov. 4

DER-3-243

43 (white-tailed deer)

24

Oct. 31-Nov. 4

DER-3-248

41

25

Oct. 31-Nov. 4

DER-3-253

60

26

Oct. 31-Nov. 4

DER-3-273

80

30

Oct. 24-28

Muzzleloader elk licenses for mobility-impaired hunters

Hunt code

Licenses available

Unit

Hunt dates

ELK-3-180

20

52

Oct. 3-7

Archery javelina licenses

Hunt code

Licenses available

Units

Hunt dates

JAV-2-101

22

19 and 23-27

Jan. 16-31

JAV-2-103

219

Statewide,
Except 19 and 23-27

Jan. 1-15

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Cleaning the CDT!!! Thanks

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Hey Everybody…

It looks like a volunteer group has finished cleaning my beloved Continental Divide Trail.  I didn’t know anything about this or I might have pitched in….

J-

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Read about it by following this link…

CDT CLEAN-UP

Category: General

Changes to Deer App Process

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Hey Guys..

This is a good thing… Basically, they want to move the draw dates before April 1st so you don’t have to buy two separate licenses; this will save you some money.  This will also be nice so you will know sooner what unit you will be hunting… Good Job Game and Fish..

J

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New Mexico Department of Game and Fish
Media contact: Dan Williams, (505) 476-8004
Public contact: (505) 476-8000
dan.williams@state.nm.us
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE, JULY 31, 2009:
COMMENTS SOUGHT ON PROPOSED CHANGES TO DEER LICENSE APPLICATION PROCESS

SANTA FE — The Department of Game and Fish is asking for public comments about proposals to change the way hunters apply for deer licenses. The State Game Commission will consider the proposals at its Sept. 24 meeting in Las Cruces.

The proposals include simplifying the deer licensing process by eliminating the current deer hunting permits. Successful applicants would be issued a deer license, similar to the way elk, antelope and other big-game licenses currently are issued.

Other proposals include giving hunters who are successful in the drawing the opportunity to buy discounted licenses, including junior, senior and combination licenses, which are available after March 31 annually; and expanding youth hunting opportunities for quality and high-demand deer hunts.

The proposals and various options are available for review on the Department Web site, www.wildlife.state.nm.us in the “Public Comments” and “Hunting” sections.

Comments can be submitted to Barry Hale, the Department’s deer program manager, by e-mail at barry.hale@state.nm.us or by regular mail at New Mexico Department of Game and Fish, P.O. Box 25112, Santa Fe, NM 87505.

Category: Game and Fish